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  1. Pure Mongrel

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    Hi guys,

    We have to TOGers that will fill the role of AUS XBOX SL and US PS3 SL.

    They will be:

    Australasian XBOX Squad Leader: FunkyJ

    North American PS3 Squad Leader: Spunkmeyer

    These gentlemen will bring experience, local knowledge and "flexibility" to our Division.

    FunkyJ is a long time member of the TOG community and has a background in the gaming industry. (Not to mention a lot of support from you guys ;))

    Spunkmeyer, although relatively new to TOG, comes highly recommended by FOE and myself and has already shown he has the TOGer mind set and spirit.

    Now these positions will be announced "publicly" very shortly, but I want to add two (possibly 3) to the list ... but not without your consent / consolation.

    I propose that we make Cadder the Console Division Engineer Squad Leader.

    My reasoning for this is that due to the work that Cadder is doing for the division, he should A) Get some recognition for his efforts and B) needs mod abilities to help in his work.

    The reason he is getting his own unique Squad Leader role is so that he is not obligated to take on any duties ... unless he wants to ;)

    If he wants to, he can act as my back up due to his understanding of the award system, etc. ... but again I state, he is not obligated to. He has already done so much for the division!

    My other proposal is to appoint Exploit - Sports and Racing Sims Squad leader.

    My reasoning here is, A) I believe a number of Console Gamers (that do not enjoy FPS, but love SIM games) are not being represented, B) Exploit is well versed (and owns) all three consoles, C) He has a love of these style of game and D) He will act as a back up to the other Squad Leaders when they need assistance in their projects.

    The ultimate goal here is to increase our "attractiveness" to a wide range of console players, from multiple regions, without turning the Squad Leader (or DC ;)) role into a "full time job".

    Some of us have not had a chance to play "anything" of late due to our work for TOG and that was never the plan.

    I believe that by increasing the number of Squad Leaders by the number above we will achieve our goals without burning anyone one out.

    So the Console Division will look like this (if everyone agrees):

    Ancient_One - Australasian PS3 Squad Leader
    FunkyJ - Australasian XBOX Squad Leader
    Kiz - International Wii Squad Leader
    Fall of Enosis - North American XBOX Squad Leader
    Spunkmeyer - North American PS3 Squad Leader
    Exploit - Sports and Racing Sims Squad Leader
    Cadder - Console Engineer
    Click & George - Advisors


    The above list is a great combination of experience and knowledge. This group has the ability to assist any other member when the need arises or cover the role if / when leave of absences is required.

    Now I mentioned a possible third extra Squadie. Due to the increasing popularity of the iPhone and the iPad, there has been some discussion of late if TOG should cater to this kind of gamer and if so, who should look after them?

    I for one sit in the camp of "this is part of the future of gaming" and see the casual gamer as an important group to add the TOG ranks. It will bring in members that we have not had access to before.

    The Console Division, at this stage, is the likeliest candidate to take on the challenge due to the fact that we are more experienced with casual / rapidly changing gaming than any other Division.

    To that end I propose that Scratches become the iGamer Squad Leader (Working title ;))

    He is a rabid iPhone "fan" and is a very community minded / active, forum member.

    Again, he can be of assistance to the other Squad Leaders where required as he is an XBOX and PS3 gamer as well.

    Now I have only spoken candidly with him about this possibility and I have not garnered a commitment. I am waiting till I hear back from you guys.

    If we are all in agreement with this proposal (and the TOG modmins approve the above), and after some time to see how we all work together, I propose that we actively recruit some European XBOX and PS3 Squad Leaders, but that is for a later discussion ;)

    Ok guys, what are your thoughts?
     
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  2. Cadder

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    I wuz torn between which pic to post.
    So I postid dem bof.
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    See? this is what happens when the SQL server goes off-line and the proposed Console engineer can't do any web dev work for a day.
    He gets bored.
    Be warned.
     
  3. Pure Mongrel

    Pure Mongrel Retired Captain

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    You have a PS3 that needs some attention you know ;)
     
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    Yeh, I know, but I don't think the boss would appreciate me playing ModNation at my desk. At least this way, php web code looks like web code regardless of what site it is :D
     
  5. Pure Mongrel

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    Fair call ;)
     
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    Cadder - Console Engineer and PS3 YLOD-getter-ridderer-of
     
  7. Pure Mongrel

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    So a small, discreet title then? :)
     
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    Cadder - Geek :)
     
  9. Ancient_One

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    Oh boy.

    Agree with all that's been said so far except Cadder - Geek. :D

    What about Cadder - Nerd. :p
     
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    Looks good mate and nicely worked through.
     
  11. Pure Mongrel

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    If I hear no objection I am going to request that Exploit get the sports and racing sim squad leader badge when I get home from work.

    Would really like to hear your thoughts on the iPhone side of things ... does it belong in consoles?
     
  12. Cadder

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    WTG, PM ;)

    My personal opinion, FWIW:
    If we want to have support for i-apps (and I don't see any reason why not, since they are a rapidly growing platform and just as valid as any other), where to put them depends on *how* popular we think they're going to be?
    IF we need to fit them into TOG's existing structure, a new squad of the console div would make sense. That being said, hand-helds such as DS and PSP are also lumped in - and they're no more a console than an i-device is.

    Should hand helds and i-devices deserve an entirely new "i-Division"?

    In a more serious vein: I've given a little more thought to the wisdom of separating racing and sims from other games. I don't think it's a good idea.
    The existing structure of subdivision is based on platform.
    The Sim division is based on genre - OK, it may be more in keeping with the way the erst of TOG is structured, but not the console division... and if we're going to start doing that then fans of the various genres might as well join the ranks of the rest of TOG - and disband the Console division.
    Personally, I *like* having a unique delineation for consoles. Splitting consoles into genres is too much like blurring the lines.
    IMHO.
     
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  13. Pure Mongrel

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    Good points Cadder.

    My personal opinion (so feel free to disagree)

    Regarding the iDevices - It is currently not big enough to have it's own division, which I think it will ultimately have in the future.

    The "casual" gamer is a new demographic for TOG. Lets face it, almost every member has a passion about a game or two in this whole forum.

    The current Division that is the casual gamers closest "kin" is the Console Division. Our members jump from one game to the next like a bunch of rabbits on Viagra!

    The casual gamer is evolving into a very large gaming demographic (just the attention given to them by the various game companies is a tribute to that) and it would be very advantageous to TOG's future to be on the ground level now as it were.

    Catering to the needs of a causal gamer is a very different beast than what the PC boys are use to IMHO. Again, I believe, we are the closest mind set to mobile device gamers on a Division level.

    We have evolved, and continue to evolve, the Console Division which again puts us ahead of the pack for trialling / developing a future iDevice Division.

    As fantastic as we are (pause a minute and pat yourselves on the back ... you deserve it ;)) we are flat out doing what we do now, let alone taking on board another project. This is why I propose an iGamer or iDevice Squad Leader.

    This person (and it does not need to be scratches ... he was just the person I knew could do it) could explore and trial the foundation of an iDivision with us as a support base for ideas, etc. I am more than happy to do a shout out for interested parties.

    The other reason our Division would be good for this is because we are Public and the main aim of this is to attract new gamers to TOG.

    Regarding Sports and Racing Sims - This is an area we lack focus on and I feel we are leaving some players behind.

    Exploit put his hand up for the XBOX Squad Leader, and while I know he would do a fine job, the support already given by you guys for FunkyJ, his history with TOG and his industry experience put him just ahead of Exploit for the role.

    Exploit has a lot to offer this Division as well though. I saw his love of Racing games and sports games (such as Forza, Madden & Skate) allows him to look after the gamers our (heavily slanted towards FPS) division has not been catering too. Just off the top of my head I can think of a couple of TOGers that have left because they felt there was nothing here for them. Our Forza III player list had a healthy number, but not one race was run due to lack of organization. We have lost a fair number off that list.

    Exploit also comes with the added bonus of owning all three consoles and has an equal love for all of them (He had a period of anti-XBOX when his second console died, but he and MS made up after they fixed it for him ;)). He is even a huge fan of Nintendo products which most of us only have a passing interest in. (A grown man playing, and enjoying, Animal Crossing is unnatural to me ... but each to their own :D)

    He can act as a back up / support for any Squad Leader as people go on holidays, take a break, etc. and Kiz would have someone to share ideas with that understands the "Nintendo gamer".

    If the title is the issue for fear of confusion, than lets come up with another. My reasoning for using the one I proposed was to let people know that there was actually a person that could cater for their gaming style, no matter the console they played, and I don't think it will create a problem. (Again though, we are a community, not a dictatorship so I will bend to the wishes of the many :D)

    The whole goal is to provide as much choice for Console Division members so they have a good time and think of TOG first for their gaming needs ... without over taxing any one Squad Leader (or worse getting a Squad leader to run events they have no interest in! :eek)

    Exploit wont cover every sports title, just like we wont cover every FPS. His main focus will be racing sims, so I am happy to transfer to the sports part to someone else at a later date (Maybe someone who loves FIFA? ... Better yet a European XBOX / PS3 SL who loves FIFA? ;))

    This also does not stop any of us for looking after a sports title if we want to. Baseball, Basketball, Ice Hockey, GridIron, Rugby, Rugby League, Golf, etc, etc. are fair game for anyone with the interest and the passion.

    Right then, I have talked long enough ... your turn! ;)
     
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  14. George

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    This is looking good. my view is we aren't ready for a iphone SL, however it was my softly soflty approach that took us over a year to get out of the basement. Your call P_M.

    As for Exploit. It might look like you've made a title up for him to give him some wings for applying. IMO the additional XBOX & PS3 SL's should be able to look after the racing sims etc.

    I feel very negative today for some reason. I'm not going to post anything else until tomorrow.

    No more negative George :( Sorry.
     
  15. Pure Mongrel

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    It is not negative feedback if it is constructive :)

    The last thing I want is for anything in the Division to look like it was done because of favoritism or because "I could". It is the reason I don't get awards and discuss everything with you guys.

    Would it be better if we did a shout out for interested parties in a Racing and / or Sports Sims SL role?

    Would it be better to make him a second Wii squad Leader not mention the racing / sports focus?

    Looking forward to FJ and Spunk getting their stripes so they can have a say. For all we know they may be the biggest rev heads and sports nuts around! ;)
     
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    Don't get me wrong - my concern over the sim squad leader was no sleight against Exploit. My concern rather revolved around the difference between having a genre-based squad vs the platform based squad structure we presently have. I do understand your reasoning.
    And if it's someone to run events that you want, then I have absolutely noobjection to that either. (I'm patiently waiting for the first TOG MNR session... )
    As for the i-squad, I have no objection to its formation, nor of Scratches being awarded the mantle. Yes, I think it should start as a squad of the console division, just like Xbox/Ps3/Wii.
    To reiterate, I think it should immediately be there to consider and support closet DSers and PSPers too. I know they're out there...
     
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    Never thought your objection was against the person, just the fact that a genre based squad leader sticks out like a sore thumb. I get it and in fact I am not happy with the title, but I lack an alternative.

    As to PSP and DS ... I am just not sure they fit with the iPhone stuff (could be wrong ... frequently am ;)). I was just under the impression that they were looked after by A_1 and Kiz?

    Maybe make the racing / sports SL the Hand Held Console SL just for aesthetics? ;)
     
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    Oh, are they? I didn't know that :oops: Sorry
    :bigfrown: My brain hurts.
     
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    Yeah mine too.

    So what do you want me to do guys?
     
  20. Ancient_One

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    My title was originally created to cover the PSP as well and I would have assumed Kizz is covering the DS. ie. Sony.

    Since I no longer own a PSP but I do own a DS and I'm not sure Kizz owns a DS we are at a cross roads to a degree.

    How do we cover for the Hand Held gamers.

    Should we cover the Hand Held gamers?

    This is after all a console division. Are Hand Helds considered consoles.?

    I'd like it to be included but maybe we could add more prefixes to the thread posts to allow for more specific posts. PSP is already listed. Maybe add DS, iPad and iPhone.
     

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